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Mindset shifts for leaders.

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Finding Your Inner Wisdom With Jenny Jonty and Michelle Howe, welcome

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to Biz Bites for Thought Leaders.

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In today's panel discussion, we introduce two people who have never met before, and

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we're gonna explore how mindset shifts can transform your leadership approach.

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You'll discover why trusting your inner wisdom is essential

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for authentic leadership.

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How to balance.

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Masculine and feminine energies in business and practical strategies

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to reconnect with your true self.

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This is a very special episode of Biz Bites for Thought Leaders.

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We have two people who bring a lot to the table A, a very interesting

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intersection and shared discussion with some great insights and creating all about

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creating success from the inside out.

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So let's get into this episode.

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Well, hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Biz Bites

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for Thought Leaders and we're doing another panel show today.

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Lucky enough to have Jenny and Michelle joining us.

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Welcome both of you.

Jenti: 00:01:12

Thank you.

Jenti: 00:01:13

Thank you.

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Love that little bit of harmony To start off with, what we should tell

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everyone that's listening in today is that, uh, Jenny and Michelle only met

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each other a few moments ago, so, and we haven't done any official introductions.

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We're gonna do that in a minute, and I think that's part of the fun of

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this, is bringing people together.

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That don't know each other and having an interesting conversation

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that I have no doubt is going to benefit everyone listening in today,

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uh, because of their background.

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So, firstly, why don't we kick off with you, Michelle, do you wanna

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introduce yourself to everyone?

Michelle: 00:01:44

Sure.

Michelle: 00:01:44

My name is Michelle Hower.

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I'm from Syracuse, New York.

Michelle: 00:01:48

Um.

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I'm a guide.

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I'm a mentor.

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I'm the founder of Empath Evolution.

Michelle: 00:01:53

Um, what I do is I teach, I speak and I guide.

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Um, I really am trying to bring a new level of consciousness around healing,

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sensitivity, our roles, so we can just step into something a little bit stronger,

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success from the inside out as opposed to the superficiality that really.

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Is rather rampant for all of us.

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Let's see who we really are.

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And it's really an inner journey.

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So that's what I help people step into if they, if they like me, like I was a

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business professional, I am a business professional, I'm the founder, but

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I really wasn't thinking energetic sensitivity at all till I was 40.

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So that's.

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Where I step in and you know, I'm gonna use my voice.

Michelle: 00:02:41

I do use my voice to help bring awareness of that.

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And then slowly but surely certain people will step forward

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more into it for the journey.

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I, I see it as a wisdom journey, truly.

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But yeah, that's what I do.

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Lovely.

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Love that.

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Well, what about you, Jenny?

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Yeah, so really aligned actually.

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So my name's Jenny Ante and I'm the founder of Eliminate Impossible, and

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I am a mindset and prosperity coach.

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So I primarily work with entrepreneurs or business owners who are

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trying to scale, but really it's.

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It was so similar working from the inside out and essentially helping people get

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whatever they want to be, do, or have by changing the way that they think.

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I love that.

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It's, you know, what was really interesting, so I did, uh, a

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little bit of quick research beforehand as you do mm-hmm.

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When you're coming into these shows.

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And what was, uh, interesting to me was there were a couple of quotes.

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That were on the top of your website.

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So we had one which is, um, uh, trust your wisdom.

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And we also had to dream the impossible dream, uh, to reach the

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unreachable start, which I love one of my all time favorite songs.

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Uh, it's.

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It's amazing how, um, you know, bringing two people together who,

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you know, to, to a degree was random.

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Uh, but how aligned both of you are in many respects, but also

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how I think this idea of mindset.

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Of needing mentoring for business leaders has, I think, really

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come to the fore in recent times.

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I think it's going to be needed more and more, wouldn't you say, uh, Jenny?

Jenti: 00:04:32

Oh, absolutely.

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I know even for myself when I first started, because I made a career shift,

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I went from being a physical therapist for 15 years to, uh, becoming a coach.

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And so at first I thought I could just, you know, through sheer will like just

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do everything and I, I got this all on my own and just was not making any

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headway until I, you know, relented and had my own coach or mentor to help me.

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Through the process helped me through my own blocks that I was having and my

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mindset and all these places that I didn't even know were there before I jumped in,

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and so it helped me to make that leap.

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I just know that we all need that individual guidance because we can

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read all the books, we can get all this head knowledge, but in order to

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actually implement and be able to then see that in our everyday life and see

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the change coming from within, we really need somebody guiding us through that.

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And I think you hit on an important point there as well.

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Uh, we all need a coach.

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I think coaches need coaches as well.

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I think if you absolutely, if you've got no one acting in that

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role, then uh, I, I think that's challenging for people who might want

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to come and learn from you because.

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You need to know that people are being guided.

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It's a bit like, uh, you know, most professionals, I mean

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psychologists generally go and see another psychologist to, uh, you

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know, to have as a mentor as well.

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Um, you know, is that the, is that the same for you, Michelle?

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I think it's important for us to grow.

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I think we are growing regardless of where we are.

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And as far as having my own coach, I've had them formal and non-formal.

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They've been part of my, my evolution and I, it is important, but you know, if

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you wanna grow, if you wanna move beyond, you know, I, I have to say, looking

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around, it's not a given that people really wanna shift or change or they seem

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to be a lot of them very accustomed to where they're at until something really.

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Intense and then they're like, no, this needs to change.

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Mm-hmm.

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Until they can't handle it anymore, then, then they'll look, they'll

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look for something different.

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They'll be open to that.

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But by nature, I think a lot of us are quite stubborn.

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And we don't really know there's a problem until there's a problem.

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Yes.

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Oh yes, that is.

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Uh, and, and, uh, and that's the thing, isn't it too that you, you

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want people to be reacting in advance.

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You don't want them to be, um, you know.

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In the last moment going, oh my goodness, this is all collapsing.

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I need to change.

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Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

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You

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know, but that's a, that's a shift in people's mindsets, isn't it?

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Um, you know, how do you actually start that process of making people

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even think about the need to change?

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It's a good question.

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It's a good question.

Jenti: 00:07:25

It's a great question.

Jenti: 00:07:27

I, I was actually reflecting on this just last week.

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I was thinking about that and even in my own journey, like I kind of hit

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that sort of rock bottom for myself.

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It was just at this point where things were kind of collapsing around me.

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I was at just, you know, a, a horrible position and it took.

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That's like extreme down in order for me to realize that I needed to make a change.

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And that's when I started my own personal journey, even before becoming a coach.

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So unfortunately, I think sometimes we do need that knock on the

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head and it needs to come a little harder than we would like.

Jenti: 00:08:02

We did the same thing in medicine too.

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You know, working as a physical therapist, we would love if we could

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do more preventative care, but we're so reactive it feels like as a society.

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Yeah.

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Michelle, is that the same for you?

Michelle: 00:08:19

Well, I try.

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We all try, right?

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We go through cycles and sometimes everything is nice and smooth, and then

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other times, no, we're getting kicked.

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We need to do something different.

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So we've.

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It starts with us, and that's the thing with every client that I have,

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every, every new venture that I do, I'm not just growing a little.

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I'm growing a lot.

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So it's not like a one way street.

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It's just a lot easier when you're the third person or the second person

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helping if you've been through it or you've been close to what that is.

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If you're at a distance from who that person is, you can see what's

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happening a little bit easier than that person that's steeped in that reality.

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So, you know, very true.

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For me, it's like vibra vibrational embodiment.

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Who do I really want to be coaching?

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Me?

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Somebody that can shift, that I allow to shift, you know, that has

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the skills to help me shift that.

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I'm gonna listen to, like, it's not a given that I'm gonna listen to

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anybody who thinks they're gonna coach me because I've gotten so further

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along in my journey that I need somebody that's two steps ahead of me.

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In some ways, maybe not way ahead of me, but, and someone that I can relate

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with enough that I'm gonna listen to.

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So it's not, you know, we're all quite individualistic here.

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Who is a good fit for us?

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Who is not?

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And our perception of what something is or isn't.

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So, yeah,

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I think you make a good point there.

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I think it's how do you actually choose who is the right person

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to coach you and, and indeed what sort of coach you might need.

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Because clearly you both have slightly different approaches.

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But, uh, how does, how does one choose if one's sitting here

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enlisting and going, Ooh, how do I

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Anthony (2): choose,

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literally choosing between the two of you?

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But it's, it's like, how do you, how do you actually make the choice.

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As to working out for yourself.

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What is the right kind of.

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Match going to be, what do you actually need?

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And Jenny, is there a some key that you have for,

Jenti: 00:10:24

I know I wish there was, but I feel like you have to develop your intuition

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and, and be able to feel that alignment.

Jenti: 00:10:32

'cause I know that I've listened to, you know, myself, I listen

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to lots of other podcasts.

Jenti: 00:10:36

I listen to other people's trainings and teachings and you can just.

Jenti: 00:10:40

You get a sense, like you were saying, that their vibration, their

Jenti: 00:10:43

energy, like some people are gonna really click and you'll be like,

Jenti: 00:10:45

yes, I, I really resonate with this.

Jenti: 00:10:48

This is.

Jenti: 00:10:49

This sounds like what I need.

Jenti: 00:10:50

This feels like truth to me and like what my soul feels like it needs.

Jenti: 00:10:54

And then you can pursue that direction.

Jenti: 00:10:57

And then there's other people I listen to, like, I appreciate your insight, but I can

Jenti: 00:11:00

tell this is not really aligning with me.

Jenti: 00:11:03

Like this is not a person that I would necessarily want to work with.

Jenti: 00:11:07

I love what they're doing.

Jenti: 00:11:08

I love what they're sharing, but it's just not gonna be the right fit.

Jenti: 00:11:11

So I think you really have to develop that intuition for yourself because.

Jenti: 00:11:16

There are so many people out there, and there's the right person for

Jenti: 00:11:18

everybody, but you've gotta be able to, to kind of weed through it all.

Anthony: 00:11:24

Yeah.

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Michelle, I'm, I'm sure that resonates with you because I know empathy is

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a big part of, of what you teach.

Michelle: 00:11:31

It's, it's, it's empathy.

Michelle: 00:11:33

It's people that are, we are all feeling things and a lot of ways

Michelle: 00:11:37

we're all empathic, but some of us have a little bit more.

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Cognizance awareness depth, that the energies around us, the environments

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around us will impact us more.

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And it's what we're carrying.

Michelle: 00:11:50

I, I've, I've gone way, way, way deep into the healer, mysticism,

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intuitive side of everything.

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And for me, it's trusting that things are coming.

Michelle: 00:12:02

You know, it's asking for what you want, but it's also.

Michelle: 00:12:06

Is this vibration, is this person, because, you know, everyone's

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steeped in their own reality.

Michelle: 00:12:11

Everyone's steeped in their own mental story of what they think everything is.

Michelle: 00:12:16

Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:12:17

Is this person gonna help me step forward more fully

Michelle: 00:12:21

in the direction that I want?

Michelle: 00:12:22

And it, to me, it's always a feeling and I like alignment.

Michelle: 00:12:26

It's like a key and you know it, it's a yes.

Michelle: 00:12:29

It's a clear yes.

Michelle: 00:12:30

Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:12:31

Whereas when it's a, maybe it's like, hmm.

Michelle: 00:12:35

I'm like, that's kind of a done for

Jenti: 00:12:37

that gut feeling.

Jenti: 00:12:38

Yeah.

Jenti: 00:12:39

You can tell it doesn't feels off, like just doesn't feel right.

Jenti: 00:12:43

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:12:44

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:12:44

It's not a hundred percent, it's not the key that's gonna turn it, but sometimes,

Michelle: 00:12:48

you know, we might be in that place where we're really looking for something

Michelle: 00:12:53

that's going to fit and it's, the timing is just so that, you know, we tried this

Michelle: 00:12:58

person out, we went in this direction.

Michelle: 00:13:01

Um mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:13:03

So.

Michelle: 00:13:04

You know, I, I mean, I believe everything is meant to be every,

Michelle: 00:13:06

there's a lesson in everything.

Michelle: 00:13:08

Mm-hmm.

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But hopefully you cut your losses quicker rather than later if something

Michelle: 00:13:11

is not the right fit for you.

Anthony: 00:13:14

And, and, and that's an interesting point, 'cause

Anthony: 00:13:15

I've had that myself where

Michelle: 00:13:17

mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:13:17

When do you make that decision where someone might've

Anthony: 00:13:21

been the right person for you for a period of time, but letting go?

Anthony: 00:13:26

Of that person, uh, can sometimes be a difficult one because you

Anthony: 00:13:30

have built a, a relationship and for whatever reason mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:13:34

Uh, you feel as though it's, it's changed.

Anthony: 00:13:37

And I had that, you know, recently where it's someone that, uh, I had,

Anthony: 00:13:41

uh, met originally through a course many years ago, then came on and became

Anthony: 00:13:45

my coach, uh, for a number of years.

Anthony: 00:13:47

But we just reached a point where.

Anthony: 00:13:50

We were going in different directions and I realized that, and I, I, you

Anthony: 00:13:53

know, I personally probably ha hung on a little bit too long at that point

Anthony: 00:13:57

before I moved on to someone else.

Anthony: 00:13:59

It is a difficult decision and, and on both sides of the fence, I

Anthony: 00:14:02

imagine, Jenny, I mean, how do you, uh, recognize when something is

Anthony: 00:14:06

been right and then it goes wrong?

Anthony: 00:14:09

Do, do you recognize that as on a coaching side as well?

Jenti: 00:14:13

Yes.

Jenti: 00:14:13

I think that's an area.

Jenti: 00:14:15

I laugh because it's.

Jenti: 00:14:17

Something for, you know, most of my life until just really recently in the last

Jenti: 00:14:21

couple years, I struggled with because I would hold on too long out of like this

Jenti: 00:14:26

fear that I was gonna, you know, hurt the other person in some way or another.

Jenti: 00:14:29

Right?

Jenti: 00:14:30

So I'm like, I'll just keep doing it.

Jenti: 00:14:32

I'll just keep going.

Jenti: 00:14:32

It's gonna be fine and not being true to myself.

Jenti: 00:14:36

Whereas like my body's trying to tell me it's.

Jenti: 00:14:39

Feeling anxious or like, it's just not feeling good, but I'm not listening to it.

Jenti: 00:14:45

Right.

Jenti: 00:14:45

So I think honoring yourself and it's respect for both you and the

Jenti: 00:14:50

other person, because it doesn't have to be done in a, a terrible way.

Jenti: 00:14:53

It's not like, you know, you stop working with that coach and like,

Jenti: 00:14:56

I'm never gonna speak to you again.

Jenti: 00:14:57

You know?

Jenti: 00:14:57

So it's just in this form, our relationship is gonna.

Jenti: 00:15:02

Here, and we're gonna just shift it into something different.

Jenti: 00:15:06

So just finding a way that, again, you have to stay with that alignment.

Jenti: 00:15:10

And if you can get more and more in tune with your body, I think our

Jenti: 00:15:14

bodies really tell us exactly what we should or shouldn't be doing.

Jenti: 00:15:19

But most of the time.

Jenti: 00:15:20

I would always just tell it to be quiet.

Jenti: 00:15:22

I'm like, no, I don't.

Jenti: 00:15:24

I don't think that's right.

Jenti: 00:15:25

I'm not listening to you.

Jenti: 00:15:27

This must be exactly.

Jenti: 00:15:28

I was a little stubborn, so I, I've gotten a lot better at listening to my

Jenti: 00:15:33

body and honoring it and just figuring out what it's trying to tell me to do.

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Jenti: 00:16:18

It's just in this form.

Jenti: 00:16:20

Our relationship is gonna end here and we're gonna just shift

Jenti: 00:16:25

it into something different.

Jenti: 00:16:26

So just finding a way that, again, you have to stay with that alignment and.

Jenti: 00:16:31

If you can get more and more in tune with your body, I think our

Jenti: 00:16:34

bodies really tell us exactly what we should or shouldn't be doing.

Jenti: 00:16:39

But most of the time I would always just tell it to be quiet.

Jenti: 00:16:42

I'm like, no, I don't.

Jenti: 00:16:44

I don't think that's right.

Jenti: 00:16:45

I'm not listening to you.

Jenti: 00:16:47

This must be exactly.

Jenti: 00:16:48

I was a little stubborn, so I, I've gotten a lot better at listening to my

Jenti: 00:16:53

body and honoring it, and just figuring out what it's trying to tell me to do.

Michelle: 00:16:58

It's huge, huge, huge, huge.

Michelle: 00:17:00

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:17:02

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:17:02

And, and it is paying attention to that.

Anthony: 00:17:05

I mean, it's, it's interesting too because as business leaders, you know, there are

Anthony: 00:17:09

times when we have to make a decision, not just around a coach, but around clients.

Anthony: 00:17:13

Sometimes the client doesn't fit.

Anthony: 00:17:15

And you know, as you were saying that Jenny, I, you know, definitely

Anthony: 00:17:17

recollect one or two clients where I knew it was going to end.

Anthony: 00:17:23

Mm. And.

Anthony: 00:17:24

Left the decision to them rather than probably having the mutual conversation,

Anthony: 00:17:28

which is a difficult one to have at times.

Anthony: 00:17:30

Mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:17:31

You know, fortunately we, you know, left on a very friendly

Anthony: 00:17:33

terms, but it was just it.

Anthony: 00:17:36

The time had been served, we did as much as we could together, and

Anthony: 00:17:40

it was time for them to seek out something else where they wanted to go.

Anthony: 00:17:44

And equally time for me to focus my energy on, on, uh, on different areas as well.

Anthony: 00:17:50

And, and, and, you know, that whole idea of, um.

Anthony: 00:17:53

Sacking a client, um, is, is a challenging one.

Anthony: 00:17:57

I, I, I'll, I'll tell you this, Michelle, when I, uh, that I, I remember, uh,

Anthony: 00:18:02

someone I know telling me many years ago about doing this, and they actually did,

Anthony: 00:18:07

it was kind of, it was like a breakup.

Anthony: 00:18:09

He even described it like that.

Anthony: 00:18:10

He took them person to lunch and, you know, see the whole,

Anthony: 00:18:14

you know, it's not you, it's me, kind of, uh, scenario and, uh.

Anthony: 00:18:18

And the, and you know, in part and parted ways.

Anthony: 00:18:21

So a very interesting, uh, very interesting approach.

Anthony: 00:18:24

Um, and, uh, you know, but it is a difficult thing.

Michelle: 00:18:29

Well, it is, it is multi-layered.

Michelle: 00:18:31

I'm just thinking of one client in particular.

Michelle: 00:18:34

You know, you always start off thinking and, and with goals and, but

Michelle: 00:18:40

then things can get a little blurry.

Michelle: 00:18:42

Exactly.

Michelle: 00:18:43

Where are we going?

Michelle: 00:18:43

Exactly.

Michelle: 00:18:44

What are we working on?

Michelle: 00:18:45

And it gets a little too, um.

Michelle: 00:18:48

Comfortable where you, you lose those boundaries over and that momentum of

Michelle: 00:18:55

where you're going because, you know, in the middle of all this life is happening.

Michelle: 00:18:59

That's some, some of the hardest lessons I've learned is that, you know, you, I've

Michelle: 00:19:03

done different programs and they're like, rushing, you need to go, go, go, go.

Michelle: 00:19:08

And I'm like.

Michelle: 00:19:10

Oh my God.

Michelle: 00:19:11

Are you trying, I'm doing a sprint here.

Michelle: 00:19:13

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:19:14

This is supposed to be something that, you know, and I'm gonna fail

Michelle: 00:19:18

at this sprint because this is just totally disrupting my life.

Michelle: 00:19:21

360 degrees.

Michelle: 00:19:23

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:19:24

So, you know, it's also gauging how much do I have to commit to this?

Michelle: 00:19:30

Some people want, you know.

Michelle: 00:19:32

So much of you when you're working with them, that's too much.

Michelle: 00:19:35

So trying to gauge how does this work with their life and help them continue

Michelle: 00:19:41

that momentum and are they listening and are they a good client and are

Michelle: 00:19:45

they, you know, is this a good match?

Michelle: 00:19:46

You know, are, do they need something else?

Michelle: 00:19:49

Um, yeah.

Michelle: 00:19:51

And those are di difficult conversations, but important conversations as well.

Michelle: 00:19:55

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:19:56

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:19:57

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:19:57

And I, I think you make an important point as well that, you know, we

Anthony: 00:20:00

are, we are constantly evolving.

Anthony: 00:20:02

You know, we are, we are learning more ourselves and for lots of reasons we may

Anthony: 00:20:07

shift in our business or in our thinking.

Anthony: 00:20:10

And so, you know, realigning, uh, yeah, with whoever you are

Anthony: 00:20:14

working with is an important.

Anthony: 00:20:16

Thing to be thinking about and doing all the time, because I guess the natural

Anthony: 00:20:20

thing as far as uh, businesses are concerned is to keep thinking about who's

Anthony: 00:20:24

the next person we can bring on board, which means that you are not always

Anthony: 00:20:29

thinking about as much as the people that currently are on board and whether

Anthony: 00:20:34

Anthony (2): all

Anthony: 00:20:34

movement needs that you're no longer aligned.

Michelle: 00:20:36

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:20:38

Yep.

Michelle: 00:20:38

The vision.

Michelle: 00:20:39

The vision, how to fit into it.

Michelle: 00:20:41

Excellent, excellent point.

Michelle: 00:20:43

That's a great point.

Anthony: 00:20:45

I mean, tell me, uh, you know, both of you, I'm, I'm intrigued as to how

Anthony: 00:20:50

your businesses have shifted, you know, what's the, what's the journey like?

Anthony: 00:20:55

I starting with you, Jenny.

Anthony: 00:20:56

What's the journey been like since you started this and, and you look

Anthony: 00:20:59

back on some of the people that you may have been working with to where.

Anthony: 00:21:03

The people you want to be working with now, how much has that shifted for you?

Jenti: 00:21:10

A lot.

Jenti: 00:21:11

Uh, because I think in the beginning I just wanted anybody and anybody, right?

Jenti: 00:21:16

I didn't have a lot of a like filtering system to decide who is gonna be the

Jenti: 00:21:22

best aligned so that we can have the best outcomes, we can have the best, you know,

Jenti: 00:21:28

uh, situation, working through everything.

Jenti: 00:21:30

And so definitely took on people that.

Jenti: 00:21:34

Probably shouldn't have, but as, as I've, you know, become.

Jenti: 00:21:40

More aware and understanding more and more of the type of people

Jenti: 00:21:43

that I actually want to work with.

Jenti: 00:21:45

Um, people who, as you mentioned before, are ready and willing to change.

Jenti: 00:21:49

They're excited to grow.

Jenti: 00:21:51

They are want to get to the next level or 10 levels above.

Jenti: 00:21:55

Um, so starting to weed out and kind of filter people who are gonna be a better

Jenti: 00:21:59

fit ahead of time, even before like.

Jenti: 00:22:02

Taking a call or, you know, using any of my time.

Jenti: 00:22:05

So again, just honoring my own time a little bit better throughout

Jenti: 00:22:09

this process as I've come more and more aligned with what it is that

Jenti: 00:22:13

I wanna do and who I wanna serve.

Anthony: 00:22:16

What about you?

Anthony: 00:22:16

For you, Michelle?

Michelle: 00:22:18

It has changed a lot.

Michelle: 00:22:19

And as much as, as much as I, I've always wanted to help everybody who

Michelle: 00:22:24

was empathic and someone actually said to me, and, and they don't

Michelle: 00:22:28

even have to know they're empathic.

Michelle: 00:22:30

Most people, most people don't even know the word.

Michelle: 00:22:31

They don't know what this means, but nailing it down more to that high

Michelle: 00:22:38

achiever, the person who really is aware and wants to move forward and will take

Michelle: 00:22:44

action, well, you know, there's so much.

Michelle: 00:22:47

There's so many different types of people in the world, and I will do best

Michelle: 00:22:50

with that kind of a person because I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty much like

Michelle: 00:22:56

that myself, so I'm like, okay, a former version of me who is struggling a bit

Michelle: 00:23:02

with where they're going and who they are.

Michelle: 00:23:05

Who they are, the sensitivity.

Michelle: 00:23:08

What does sensitivity actually mean for them and their life?

Michelle: 00:23:11

How does it, how's it impacting their relationships?

Michelle: 00:23:14

How does it show up?

Michelle: 00:23:16

So it's helping someone evolve to the next best version so they

Michelle: 00:23:19

feel good every day in their skin.

Michelle: 00:23:22

Because a lot of people that are empathic a, they're overwhelmed.

Michelle: 00:23:25

They are giving too much all the time.

Michelle: 00:23:29

And, you know, I can talk to that because that's always

Michelle: 00:23:32

been me and we're doing a lot.

Michelle: 00:23:34

And when you we're in this do, do, do, do environment,

Michelle: 00:23:38

it can be very, very draining.

Michelle: 00:23:41

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:23:42

Um, and then, you know, depending on who you have in your life,

Michelle: 00:23:44

there's another source of drainage.

Michelle: 00:23:46

Right.

Michelle: 00:23:47

So it's, it really is an inner journey.

Michelle: 00:23:50

All of it.

Michelle: 00:23:51

I mean, see, I see everybody evolving, but there are different stages of the game.

Michelle: 00:23:55

And they don't necessarily know there's another layer and

Michelle: 00:23:58

then another layer after that.

Michelle: 00:24:00

But if you are sensitive to energy, you're gonna recognize when something

Michelle: 00:24:04

expands you and makes you feel better.

Michelle: 00:24:06

And when something is really, uh,

Michelle: 00:24:10

Anthony (2): it's

Michelle: 00:24:10

just not, not ideal for you to be in that space.

Michelle: 00:24:16

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:24:16

So, I don't know.

Michelle: 00:24:18

I, I, I, I wish there was a, a definitive like.

Michelle: 00:24:22

This is where everybody's at, but it's, we're all quite individual

Michelle: 00:24:27

when you put us quite individual.

Anthony: 00:24:30

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:24:30

You mean to say some of those pop quizzes we see coming up in our

Anthony: 00:24:33

feeds don't, don't actually work.

Michelle: 00:24:36

They tell us bare bone, superficial stuff, you

Michelle: 00:24:39

know, it's like astrology.

Michelle: 00:24:41

It's like, you know, they're good to a certain degree.

Michelle: 00:24:44

What is it?

Michelle: 00:24:44

The DISC method?

Michelle: 00:24:45

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:24:46

They're good to a certain degree, but at the end of the day.

Michelle: 00:24:50

We need to be leading based on feeling because what's gonna, mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:24:54

You know, if we don't lead based on that, we're leading based on logic.

Michelle: 00:24:57

And logic can throw us in so many different directions,

Michelle: 00:25:00

it doesn't care how we feel.

Michelle: 00:25:02

It's just gonna be logical.

Michelle: 00:25:03

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:25:04

Right.

Michelle: 00:25:05

So, you know, for me, the way I feel is like amp amplified, threefold.

Michelle: 00:25:10

Like, it's very important.

Michelle: 00:25:12

And if I don't have the right fit, the right rhythm of what I'm doing.

Michelle: 00:25:19

I have to be aware of where I use my energy.

Michelle: 00:25:21

I guess that's the most important part about being an empath, being

Michelle: 00:25:24

empathic, because it's, it's, I, I can totally become deflated,

Michelle: 00:25:32

become defeated, go into burnout.

Michelle: 00:25:34

Do you know what I mean?

Michelle: 00:25:35

All these things that society tells us our success and what we need to do versus

Michelle: 00:25:39

what internally, what do we need to do?

Michelle: 00:25:42

What is next?

Michelle: 00:25:43

So,

Anthony: 00:25:45

yeah, I can see you nodding there as well, Jenny.

Anthony: 00:25:47

That that's, uh, it's, it's so, it's so relatable what, what

Anthony: 00:25:51

Michelle's saying there, isn't it?

Anthony: 00:25:52

It's just, um, you know.

Anthony: 00:25:54

Mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:25:54

I think we all.

Anthony: 00:25:55

Would probably be, I think everyone listening in is probably nodding

Anthony: 00:25:57

their head to some degree to that.

Jenti: 00:25:59

Yes.

Jenti: 00:26:01

Yeah.

Jenti: 00:26:02

So we do, we, we push, push, push.

Jenti: 00:26:05

So a lot of what I do as well is to try to help bring the, the feminine

Jenti: 00:26:08

energy with the masculine, right?

Jenti: 00:26:10

We can't just have all action, all due, push hard, strive hard.

Jenti: 00:26:16

Work yourself to death because that just doesn't work.

Jenti: 00:26:19

So yes, you have to get the energy alignment and all of those parts

Jenti: 00:26:23

before you take the action and then you actually don't have to do as much action.

Jenti: 00:26:27

It's beautiful.

Michelle: 00:26:28

Well, if, if we could.

Michelle: 00:26:31

And I, I speak from my own ex. If we could just settle into a more

Michelle: 00:26:35

streamlined, relaxed approach instead of like the straight line, this is

Michelle: 00:26:41

where I'm going, this is where I am.

Michelle: 00:26:43

Boom, boom, boom, boom.

Michelle: 00:26:45

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:26:46

I have a lot of male energy in me, but I have a lot of female

Michelle: 00:26:48

too, so females like, stop it.

Michelle: 00:26:51

We're not doing it anymore.

Michelle: 00:26:55

I'm not gonna go along with your show.

Jenti: 00:26:58

No.

Jenti: 00:26:58

Yeah.

Jenti: 00:26:59

A lot of deconditioning that has had Yeah.

Jenti: 00:27:01

Had to happen.

Jenti: 00:27:03

Yeah.

Jenti: 00:27:03

Sure.

Anthony: 00:27:04

Program.

Anthony: 00:27:05

It's, it's interesting you talk about alignment as well because, um, you

Anthony: 00:27:08

know, we've, a lot of people talk about this kind of work-life balance,

Anthony: 00:27:12

and I think balance is the wrong word.

Anthony: 00:27:14

Mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:27:14

Alignment, uh, with where you need to be at any given point, and, and recognizing

Anthony: 00:27:20

that that's a. Challenge, Jenny.

Anthony: 00:27:22

I mean, it's just, it's, you know, and it's an everyday challenge for,

Anthony: 00:27:26

uh, particularly for people who are, you know, business leaders and, and

Anthony: 00:27:30

they are being pushed to keep, you know, as, as Michelle was saying,

Anthony: 00:27:34

go more, more, more all the time.

Michelle: 00:27:37

More is not always better.

Michelle: 00:27:39

No, it's just more, just more, more to deal with.

Michelle: 00:27:45

But I think if, if we could just simplify the recipe, I guess I'm

Michelle: 00:27:49

speaking to myself, simplify this recipe, Michelle, because you know when you

Michelle: 00:27:53

think, when you are a creative person, entrepreneur, you think big, like you

Michelle: 00:27:58

really wanna make a big, whether it's a lot of money, but in my case, it's.

Michelle: 00:28:03

Let's do some big things.

Michelle: 00:28:05

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:28:05

Let's get this message out there, right?

Michelle: 00:28:08

Or what, you know, solopreneur or small business has to really be

Michelle: 00:28:14

cognizant of the energy that they use to do what, because then all of a

Michelle: 00:28:19

sudden you become a business like me.

Michelle: 00:28:21

I'm like, oh my gosh, I need, I need an operational manager.

Michelle: 00:28:24

Like somebody needs to do their job because all of a

Michelle: 00:28:29

sudden it's all these details.

Michelle: 00:28:32

Of things that I'm more big picture thinker, planner, like messaging.

Michelle: 00:28:39

But I guess it just tells you why you need different kinds of people on your team.

Michelle: 00:28:44

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:28:45

Because otherwise you just won't, won't work very well.

Jenti: 00:28:49

Yeah.

Jenti: 00:28:49

Somebody to delegate the administrative tasks that are not Yeah.

Jenti: 00:28:54

Worth your energy.

Michelle: 00:28:56

Well, you're not gonna, not, there's certain things I'm not na,

Michelle: 00:28:58

naturally good at, but then there's a problem, Anthony, when you're really good

Michelle: 00:29:03

at a lot of things, I'm like, the problem,

Anthony: 00:29:07

well, it's, it's, and, and it's the, and it's the hardest thing, right?

Anthony: 00:29:11

As a, as a business leader.

Anthony: 00:29:12

Is to let go, because sometimes you might be better than the person

Anthony: 00:29:17

that you are hiring at a certain thing, but it's, but you need to

Anthony: 00:29:20

let go of it, and that's, mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:29:22

That's a challenge.

Anthony: 00:29:23

And it's equally a challenge when you try and bring it back.

Anthony: 00:29:26

I've, I've experienced that in recent times.

Anthony: 00:29:28

I've had someone working with me who has just left, so I've had to.

Anthony: 00:29:31

Res, assume all of those responsibilities in the short term.

Anthony: 00:29:35

Mm. And, um, two days in, it's killing me.

Anthony: 00:29:38

So it's, it's, um, you know, and, and it's not that I can't do it, and it's not

Anthony: 00:29:43

that I'm not good at doing it, it's just that it's, it's incredibly time consuming

Anthony: 00:29:47

and you realize how much it takes you away from what you really love doing.

Anthony: 00:29:52

And I think that's, that's goes back to that alignment, doesn't it, Jenny?

Jenti: 00:29:57

Oh, absolutely.

Jenti: 00:29:58

Yes.

Jenti: 00:29:59

This is something I've so.

Jenti: 00:30:01

Um, I have recently also discovered, I'm starting to dive into, I don't know

Jenti: 00:30:06

if this aligns at all with what you do, Michelle, but with human design

Jenti: 00:30:10

and I, I've come to understand, I am a projector and I am not here to do

Jenti: 00:30:14

the, like, work, work, work, work.

Jenti: 00:30:15

I am here to guide and like, and to delegate and to give all the

Jenti: 00:30:19

little tasks to other people.

Jenti: 00:30:20

And so.

Jenti: 00:30:21

I think even just in our family life and all of the parts I used to really hold

Jenti: 00:30:25

on tight and want to control everything.

Jenti: 00:30:28

And so for me, being able to just release and like you said, focus on

Jenti: 00:30:32

the things that I really love that.

Jenti: 00:30:35

Are aligned with my true self and my goal and my purpose and what I'm

Jenti: 00:30:41

trying to do and give, you know, handoff some of the other things.

Jenti: 00:30:45

But yeah, I was having that thought last week too.

Jenti: 00:30:47

So I was looking at some of the things that I've been delegating.

Jenti: 00:30:49

I'm like, do I like how this.

Jenti: 00:30:53

Mostly

Jenti: 00:30:55

Anthony (2): it's a challenge.

Michelle: 00:30:57

No, the, the team, Anthony, a couple times you're like getting, letting

Michelle: 00:31:00

go, letting go let, it's almost like, yeah, you need to have a master class on

Michelle: 00:31:03

letting go and what does that look like?

Michelle: 00:31:05

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:31:06

And how do you actually do it?

Michelle: 00:31:07

I mean,

Michelle: 00:31:10

I think there's a reason why we hold tight, you know,

Michelle: 00:31:13

because we're used to doing it.

Michelle: 00:31:15

We want it a certain way.

Michelle: 00:31:17

You know, there's that control aspect.

Michelle: 00:31:19

Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:31:19

Um, and, uh.

Michelle: 00:31:22

You know, finding the right people to do certain things would like, would.

Michelle: 00:31:27

Alleviate that issue.

Michelle: 00:31:28

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:31:29

Having that confidence in them.

Michelle: 00:31:30

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:31:31

Mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:31:31

I, I wanna come back to that point in a minute, but I just wanted

Anthony: 00:31:34

to, to also ask you both about this kind of, this, this concept that, that

Anthony: 00:31:38

leads to where you were just talking is that a lot of businesses spend a

Anthony: 00:31:42

lot of time teaching people how to do stuff, whether that's internally or

Anthony: 00:31:46

whether it's externally with clients.

Anthony: 00:31:48

And it's like, why are you telling people how to do stuff they want?

Anthony: 00:31:54

They're either coming to you to do the stuff.

Anthony: 00:31:56

Or you're hiring someone to do the stuff.

Anthony: 00:31:59

Mm-hmm.

Anthony: 00:31:59

You don't need to spend a lot of time teaching them how to, and,

Anthony: 00:32:04

and I think we get lost in that a lot of the time, don't we?

Michelle: 00:32:09

That is an intellectual landmine.

Michelle: 00:32:15

You, you wanna give some something to do?

Michelle: 00:32:19

In my last program, she went crazy answering these questions.

Michelle: 00:32:24

I'm like, oh my God.

Michelle: 00:32:25

She's in her head the whole way.

Michelle: 00:32:28

So changing her presentation and.

Michelle: 00:32:33

Do I have to go in there and do surgery on your mind?

Michelle: 00:32:36

You need to stop.

Michelle: 00:32:38

Like, I'm like, this approach isn't really working.

Michelle: 00:32:41

Doesn't very well because she's looking forward to dot every I

Michelle: 00:32:44

and cross every t and it should result in two plus two equals four.

Michelle: 00:32:48

And this is how, no, transformation is a very fluid mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:32:52

Letting go is even more fluid than that.

Michelle: 00:32:56

It's, it's not, you know, you said holding on tight.

Michelle: 00:32:59

Jenny, which I loved.

Michelle: 00:33:01

I'm like, yeah,

Michelle: 00:33:03

Anthony (2): like,

Michelle: 00:33:04

yes.

Michelle: 00:33:06

It's too tight.

Michelle: 00:33:07

You can tell when you're holding on too tight.

Michelle: 00:33:10

Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:33:11

You just always bring it up, always talk about it.

Michelle: 00:33:15

You're still figuring it out.

Michelle: 00:33:17

So sometimes being like a seeker.

Michelle: 00:33:20

I am, I need to fit.

Michelle: 00:33:22

I've, I've been there and I still can be there.

Michelle: 00:33:25

I need to know why this, yeah.

Michelle: 00:33:27

Like I will spend time and I've learned from this a lot.

Michelle: 00:33:32

So it's kind of part of my process is why is this happening?

Michelle: 00:33:36

What am I learning?

Michelle: 00:33:37

What's the next thing you know?

Michelle: 00:33:40

It's part of going deeper.

Michelle: 00:33:42

And being very empathic, I need to understand sometimes asking questions

Michelle: 00:33:47

aloud has helped me to get answers to things that I feel, but I don't

Michelle: 00:33:52

quite understand what I'm feeling.

Michelle: 00:33:53

Or, you know, here's this human dynamic with a client.

Michelle: 00:33:58

Or they're trying, like learning each step of the way because everybody's

Michelle: 00:34:03

mind is completely different.

Michelle: 00:34:05

Like try to change somebody's mind.

Michelle: 00:34:07

Who's strong-willed?

Michelle: 00:34:08

You can do it.

Michelle: 00:34:12

Like, you can softly, gently try to sculpt something in there if they let

Michelle: 00:34:18

you, but the more strong will they are, the more they hold on really tight.

Michelle: 00:34:24

So, you know, it's that match.

Michelle: 00:34:26

You have to make that match.

Michelle: 00:34:27

And with the right person, then they'll really listen to you.

Michelle: 00:34:30

But if you are, if you don't have the keys to that mind of theirs, they're

Michelle: 00:34:35

not gonna listen to a thing you said.

Michelle: 00:34:36

It's, it's just information.

Michelle: 00:34:38

Right.

Michelle: 00:34:38

As opposed to shifting the way you present the way you feel.

Michelle: 00:34:44

So the emotional stuff, the letting go is really, I can logically say, let

Michelle: 00:34:51

go, but if someone's very fixated and wanting and knowing everything mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:34:57

They're not going to.

Jenti: 00:35:00

That's true, and that comes back to the guiding, right?

Jenti: 00:35:03

You can only do so much, and in the end, the person has to be

Jenti: 00:35:08

able to do it for themselves.

Jenti: 00:35:10

So they have to be ready and willing to make that change.

Michelle: 00:35:15

Yeah.

Michelle: 00:35:16

Timing, timing, timing.

Michelle: 00:35:18

Yes.

Jenti: 00:35:20

And I can't tell you how long for, you know, like 10 years of doing.

Jenti: 00:35:25

You know, searching personal development and growth and all of the self-help,

Jenti: 00:35:30

everything that I could find.

Jenti: 00:35:31

And like I knew so much on a conscious level and I thought I knew stuff,

Jenti: 00:35:36

but again, it wasn't until I had help understanding how to implement

Jenti: 00:35:40

it into my subconscious mind, how to actually make the internal changes.

Jenti: 00:35:46

Until then, I started to see things reflecting on the outside

Jenti: 00:35:50

of the changes I was making inside.

Jenti: 00:35:52

Before that, it was all very superficial.

Jenti: 00:35:54

It was just in the conscious mind.

Anthony: 00:35:57

Yeah, it's, it is a challenge, isn't it?

Anthony: 00:35:59

Because there's one thing about sitting and listening in whatever

Anthony: 00:36:02

environment you're in and going, yeah, I should do that, and another

Anthony: 00:36:06

thing to actually be able to do it.

Anthony: 00:36:08

And, and it's, and it's not about skills.

Anthony: 00:36:13

It's not about access to resources.

Anthony: 00:36:15

It's about mindset.

Michelle: 00:36:17

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:36:18

It's, it's about my Yes.

Michelle: 00:36:20

Mind.

Michelle: 00:36:21

Having the bandwidth and the space in your life to handle, like, how many things

Michelle: 00:36:26

can you actually handle at one time?

Michelle: 00:36:29

Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:36:29

Change within yourself.

Michelle: 00:36:31

Your focus, say your focus is physical, but then there's bus,

Michelle: 00:36:35

like e, everything seems to.

Michelle: 00:36:38

A certain amount of you, and sometimes in order to achieve a certain goal,

Michelle: 00:36:43

you need to really strap yourself down and focus in on that goal

Michelle: 00:36:47

specifically to get that done.

Michelle: 00:36:50

So you know, your idea and balance per Yes.

Michelle: 00:36:53

Balance is.

Michelle: 00:36:55

A fallacy.

Michelle: 00:36:56

We, we, we do not at any given point in time, have everything in balance

Michelle: 00:37:00

if there is such a thing, right.

Michelle: 00:37:02

It is the balance.

Michelle: 00:37:04

If there was anything, it'd be centered feeling inside of you

Michelle: 00:37:07

that you are grounded in, you're going in the right direction.

Michelle: 00:37:10

If they calmness, you're centered.

Michelle: 00:37:13

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:37:13

Right.

Michelle: 00:37:14

That's balance.

Michelle: 00:37:15

But that at any given point in time, my life is in balance.

Michelle: 00:37:19

No, I did a lot of traveling this year.

Michelle: 00:37:21

Like that threw me off.

Michelle: 00:37:23

Like that was really enjoyable, but it threw everything off the kilter, right?

Michelle: 00:37:28

As far as, so it's, you know, you wanna be able to glide through

Michelle: 00:37:32

life, and I love the fact that.

Michelle: 00:37:35

It's never a done deal.

Michelle: 00:37:36

I have not arrived where everything is in perfect harmony without

Michelle: 00:37:41

something new that I'm learning.

Michelle: 00:37:43

But it would be nice if it was like just completely smooth.

Michelle: 00:37:48

That's my goal, just a completely smooth life.

Michelle: 00:37:53

No hangups.

Michelle: 00:37:57

Yes.

Michelle: 00:37:58

I dunno

Jenti: 00:37:59

if that exists.

Jenti: 00:38:01

There's no, there's always something

Anthony: 00:38:03

else coming up, isn't there?

Anthony: 00:38:04

And that's the, that's reality.

Anthony: 00:38:06

There's, it's, it's out of our control.

Anthony: 00:38:08

Right.

Anthony: 00:38:08

And a personal, and a professional level.

Anthony: 00:38:10

I mean, um, you know, we, we haven't got too much time to touch on this,

Anthony: 00:38:13

but we live in an age where there's, there's so much technology coming in

Anthony: 00:38:16

and that's putting a lot of pressure on.

Anthony: 00:38:18

On change as well, isn't it?

Anthony: 00:38:20

And in many respects, it's pushing people to the middle and that, you know, what

Anthony: 00:38:23

you spoke about at the beginning of, of inactivity and just happy where they are.

Anthony: 00:38:28

And, and suddenly there's more conformity, uh, because of the

Anthony: 00:38:33

technology and things that exist.

Anthony: 00:38:35

So actually the way to stand out is to be more human.

Anthony: 00:38:39

And that's a hard thing to extract, isn't it, Jenny?

Anthony: 00:38:42

I mean, it's like how do you actually rip that out and get

Anthony: 00:38:45

people to put themselves in the fore and really want to be a leader?

Jenti: 00:38:51

Hmm.

Jenti: 00:38:52

That is a, I love that insight.

Jenti: 00:38:55

That is very interesting.

Jenti: 00:38:57

Um, I think you're absolutely right and especially as you know, we see

Jenti: 00:39:02

more and more AI and all of these other things, we are losing that

Jenti: 00:39:06

humanistic quality to what we do.

Jenti: 00:39:09

And I think it can be in so many different levels, like even just.

Jenti: 00:39:14

The posts that you do and like all of these different areas, like

Jenti: 00:39:17

making sure that you are, you're showing yourself as a, a human.

Jenti: 00:39:21

Yeah.

Jenti: 00:39:22

And making those, those connections on a much different level.

Jenti: 00:39:28

And I think that is.

Jenti: 00:39:29

We're almost starving for that at this point.

Jenti: 00:39:31

Like I love that we have this ability to be in all these different places

Jenti: 00:39:35

and connect, you know, doing this, but doing things in person, I think has

Jenti: 00:39:42

such an even bigger impact because that energy, you can feel so much stronger

Jenti: 00:39:47

in my opinion, when you are in the same room as a person or in proximity

Jenti: 00:39:51

to them, and this is a great medium.

Jenti: 00:39:55

I don't think it should completely replace Yeah.

Jenti: 00:39:58

Uh, being able to do things, you know, with actual people

Michelle: 00:40:02

and it won't, it won't, it, it doesn't, it could never Right.

Michelle: 00:40:07

It's just a very convenient way of getting the message out into

Michelle: 00:40:10

the world and getting mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:40:12

Information.

Michelle: 00:40:13

Sharing information.

Michelle: 00:40:14

I mean, really we're at warp speed right now with the amount of

Michelle: 00:40:19

information that is coming through.

Michelle: 00:40:21

I mean, YouTube, huge amount.

Michelle: 00:40:24

You know, the influencers out there are sharing, which is a positive because

Michelle: 00:40:31

the information's getting through, but it's also like information overload can

Jenti: 00:40:37

be overwhelming.

Jenti: 00:40:38

I'm like.

Michelle: 00:40:40

Um, it is actually a good thing that we are diving deeper into things,

Michelle: 00:40:46

but sometimes I think there's so much drama around everything and it becomes

Michelle: 00:40:50

its own little silo of too much of this, like what I tell you, everybody's brain

Michelle: 00:40:58

and their reality is completely different.

Michelle: 00:41:00

So it, it is a pleasure to like follow certain people.

Michelle: 00:41:04

'cause I get the benefit of their deep dives into certain areas.

Michelle: 00:41:08

Anthony (2): Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:41:09

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:41:10

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:41:11

I look and I, I think just as we start to wrap things up, I wanted to ask

Anthony: 00:41:15

you both a couple of questions, and the first one being, you know, in this

Anthony: 00:41:20

kind of day and age, as we were just talking about with, with technology

Anthony: 00:41:23

coming to the fore and the need to extract, you know, our human element and

Anthony: 00:41:29

creativity and bring that to the fore, what are some tips that you might have

Anthony: 00:41:34

for people, the way people should be.

Anthony: 00:41:37

Reexamining thinking or doing what?

Anthony: 00:41:40

What can people, uh, you know, what can make people change the way they might be

Anthony: 00:41:45

going about things in this day and age?

Anthony: 00:41:48

What are the shifts in mindset or, or keys to getting themselves into

Anthony: 00:41:52

a position where they recognize that they need to do that?

Anthony: 00:41:55

And I can I throw you in the deep end, Michelle?

Michelle: 00:41:58

Hmm.

Michelle: 00:42:00

So you're talking about the human element, the creativity with all the tech.

Michelle: 00:42:04

Well turn off the tack.

Michelle: 00:42:06

You can turn off the tech right and go and just spend some time

Michelle: 00:42:13

just being, exploring, um, reading.

Michelle: 00:42:17

Like it is just, you don't need to be busy 24 7.

Michelle: 00:42:21

The way that you feel on the inside is more important

Michelle: 00:42:24

than anything on the outside.

Michelle: 00:42:27

Are you being true to yourself, to your, to your potential,

Michelle: 00:42:30

to what you want in life?

Michelle: 00:42:32

Like stop following.

Michelle: 00:42:34

The typical things, and instead, like, see the benefit of just listening quietly.

Michelle: 00:42:42

What do you want?

Michelle: 00:42:43

What is next for you?

Michelle: 00:42:45

Like, it's almost like you're, you're slowing down the pace of your life by

Michelle: 00:42:49

slowing down the way that you speak, the way that you engage, the way your calendar

Michelle: 00:42:56

looks like you're slowing everything down.

Michelle: 00:43:02

Where you can actually notice the space around you.

Michelle: 00:43:08

You don't need this train to go 80 miles an hour.

Michelle: 00:43:11

You wanna be able to see the scenery, right?

Michelle: 00:43:14

So you've gotta slow things down and not, you know, be worried or be

Michelle: 00:43:18

afraid that you're missing something.

Michelle: 00:43:20

And like, it's that, it's that like monkey on your back.

Michelle: 00:43:24

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:43:25

That's like, no, you need to do this.

Michelle: 00:43:26

No.

Michelle: 00:43:26

You like, no you don't.

Michelle: 00:43:29

No, you don't.

Michelle: 00:43:30

A lot of things are just meant to happen or not meant to happen, and they're

Michelle: 00:43:34

gonna happen whether you work, you know, you're gonna probably exhaust

Michelle: 00:43:37

yourself if you're working really hard, thinking all that hard work is gonna

Michelle: 00:43:41

give you this because throughout my 10 years of of having a path evolution,

Michelle: 00:43:45

nothing has ever exactly turned out the way I thought it was going to turn out.

Michelle: 00:43:50

Has always been like, well, I just thought, you know, on a piece of

Michelle: 00:43:53

paper, X plus X equals this, but not, that's not the way it works.

Michelle: 00:44:00

A lot of times if you showcase an imperfect version of yourself and

Michelle: 00:44:05

you have the right team around you, you know your message, your

Michelle: 00:44:09

words, your tone, like people are attracted to you based on who you are.

Michelle: 00:44:13

And it's not the words that you say.

Michelle: 00:44:16

It's how you articulate what you say.

Michelle: 00:44:19

It's all.

Michelle: 00:44:20

It's all of it.

Michelle: 00:44:21

It's not just so you know whether people like it or not.

Michelle: 00:44:25

I do think that we do see the whole person, when we hear

Michelle: 00:44:29

someone talking, we feel them.

Michelle: 00:44:32

So even though, you know, they think they might have everything

Michelle: 00:44:35

put together right, or whatnot.

Michelle: 00:44:37

I think subconsciously we are registering a lot more information when we hear people

Michelle: 00:44:42

speak and whether somebody is a good fit for us or not, you know, or you know.

Michelle: 00:44:49

Whatever their mindset might be that they're not sharing or you know, all

Michelle: 00:44:53

of that manifesting happens consciously and subconsciously all the time.

Michelle: 00:44:59

So you might as well spend some time with yourself.

Michelle: 00:45:02

So turn off, turn off the step.

Michelle: 00:45:05

Turn off

Anthony: 00:45:06

back.

Anthony: 00:45:06

I love that.

Anthony: 00:45:07

Turn off.

Michelle: 00:45:08

That's exactly,

Jenti: 00:45:09

yeah.

Anthony: 00:45:09

I'm gonna come to you in a second, Jenny, but I just wanna

Anthony: 00:45:11

No, you're say, while you, while you were saying all that, Michelle,

Anthony: 00:45:14

I got two images in my head.

Anthony: 00:45:15

Firstly, when you were talking about, you know, stopping and, and looking

Anthony: 00:45:18

at the scenery, I'm not a big train person, but I had this great image

Anthony: 00:45:22

of being on a train where you're either sitting in a tunnel and you,

Anthony: 00:45:25

you are watching the lights go by.

Anthony: 00:45:26

Thinking you're going in a million miles an hour, or you're on a track

Anthony: 00:45:30

where you've got beautiful scenery, that you're looking out the window

Anthony: 00:45:33

and, and enjoying what's around and taking it in rather than just, uh,

Anthony: 00:45:37

worrying about where the destination is.

Anthony: 00:45:39

And at the same time, you were talking about as well, about the different, um.

Anthony: 00:45:44

The different ways that people articulate themselves.

Anthony: 00:45:46

Just popped into my head that famous Seinfeld episode where they talk about,

Anthony: 00:45:50

you know, these pretzels are making me thirsty, and they're, you know, different

Anthony: 00:45:53

ways of, of, of delivering that line.

Anthony: 00:45:56

And it's, and it is like that in everyday life, right?

Anthony: 00:45:58

It's, uh, um, I'm sure, I'm sure that Seinfeld episode wasn't meant

Anthony: 00:46:02

to be philosophical, but it, but it, uh, it kind of stuck in my

Anthony: 00:46:05

head when you were saying that.

Michelle: 00:46:07

Listen, I do think that life is a sitcom.

Michelle: 00:46:09

Truly.

Michelle: 00:46:10

If you sit back and look at how some of your weeks and some of your months

Michelle: 00:46:14

and some of your years go, you get your humor on you, like can see it.

Michelle: 00:46:20

It's very interesting.

Michelle: 00:46:22

Very

Anthony: 00:46:23

well, at least, at least in this particular sitcom we've been running for

Anthony: 00:46:26

the last, uh, last 40 minutes at least.

Anthony: 00:46:28

We've had some real laughs instead of a laugh back, so, uh, so I'm enjoying that.

Anthony: 00:46:33

Jenny, what about you?

Anthony: 00:46:34

What are, what are some tips that you want to get, want to deliver?

Jenti: 00:46:38

Yeah, I was actually gonna say, because even for myself, I

Jenti: 00:46:42

realized when I started doing this work, I really didn't know myself.

Jenti: 00:46:45

I just had been going through life as like a chameleon, just.

Jenti: 00:46:49

Fitting into whatever environment I was in, conforming to what

Jenti: 00:46:52

I was told to do, right?

Jenti: 00:46:54

You go to school, you get your degree, you start your career,

Jenti: 00:46:57

you do that for 40 years.

Jenti: 00:46:58

Like I just, you know, spent my life doing what I was told to do.

Jenti: 00:47:02

So taking time away from all electronics and actually being with yourself and.

Jenti: 00:47:09

In a quiet place where you can connect and understand who you are

Jenti: 00:47:14

because you are not the same as everybody else who's on the internet.

Jenti: 00:47:18

Each person is unique and different.

Jenti: 00:47:20

So I think having that, because then you can protect yourself out

Jenti: 00:47:23

there the way you're meant to.

Jenti: 00:47:25

And then when you go and have actual physical connections with people who

Jenti: 00:47:30

are in your, you know, local area like.

Jenti: 00:47:33

Maybe you could do more in-person sessions or seminars or whatever it might be if

Jenti: 00:47:38

you're a business owner, trying to do that, but also just with your family and

Jenti: 00:47:41

your friends and having that time to be physically in the same space as somebody,

Jenti: 00:47:47

but, and just kind of putting the, maybe taking off your watches and all the

Jenti: 00:47:53

notifications coming in at all times.

Jenti: 00:47:55

You feel like you have to respond immediately and allowing

Jenti: 00:47:59

it to be for a little bit.

Jenti: 00:48:00

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:48:01

Yeah, I know.

Anthony: 00:48:02

I, I particularly come Friday afternoon at least until, uh, late Saturday night,

Anthony: 00:48:07

I have, uh, all my devices off and, uh, I look forward to it and, and I tell

Anthony: 00:48:12

everyone that I'm gonna be offline as well, so that way, you know, I don't come

Anthony: 00:48:16

back to a mountain of emails or messages.

Anthony: 00:48:19

Uh, and, uh, it's amazing how people hold off when you.

Anthony: 00:48:22

Tell them that that's the space that you have to yourself and that

Anthony: 00:48:26

I won't be answering in that time.

Anthony: 00:48:28

Uh, just to wrap things up with both of you and I've, I've

Anthony: 00:48:31

so enjoyed this conversation.

Anthony: 00:48:33

I like to ask, uh, all of my guests on the program this question, what's the,

Anthony: 00:48:38

uh, heart moment that people have when they come to work with you that you wish

Anthony: 00:48:42

more people knew they were going to have?

Anthony: 00:48:44

Uh, in advance.

Anthony: 00:48:46

So, uh, what about you, Jenny?

Anthony: 00:48:47

I'll kick things off with you for starters.

Jenti: 00:48:51

Ooh, I wish there was just one, um, that sounded really cocky.

Jenti: 00:48:56

Sorry.

Jenti: 00:48:56

But I think just understanding the, the power of our thoughts, like the

Jenti: 00:49:03

true power that they have and that we're emitting that power at all times,

Jenti: 00:49:09

whether we are aware of it or not, but.

Jenti: 00:49:13

If I just sum it up.

Anthony: 00:49:15

No, that's, that's great.

Anthony: 00:49:16

What about you, Michelle?

Michelle: 00:49:18

I think it would be, um,

Michelle: 00:49:23

that they have the answer within them already.

Michelle: 00:49:27

Mm-hmm.

Michelle: 00:49:27

It's

Michelle: 00:49:28

Anthony (2): beautiful.

Michelle: 00:49:29

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:49:30

What a, what a terrific way to end it.

Anthony: 00:49:32

I've so enjoyed this conversation and, uh, this is again, one of the, one of

Anthony: 00:49:37

the wonderful powers of the technology and the ability to connect, you know,

Anthony: 00:49:42

three of us who didn't know each other before and have an amazing conversation

Anthony: 00:49:46

that I know everyone listening in is gonna benefit hugely from, uh, we will

Anthony: 00:49:50

of course keep all of the details in the show notes of how to get in touch with.

Anthony: 00:49:55

Both of you.

Anthony: 00:49:56

But, uh, thank you so much for being a part of the program, uh, and as I

Anthony: 00:50:00

said, really enjoyed the conversation.

Anthony: 00:50:01

Thanks, Jenny.

Anthony: 00:50:02

Thanks Michelle.

Jenti: 00:50:04

Awesome.

Jenti: 00:50:04

Thank you so much.

Jenti: 00:50:05

Thank you.

Anthony: 00:50:07

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Anthony: 00:50:10

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